I bet Floyd is mimicking his TT position at that time. If you remember when everyone was going low, he had that bars at 45 degree- “shielding his head position”.
I agree, hope this symposium brings some input from outside the cycling world point of view.
Steve,
I will be there at Yale this Thursday.
When I first got the flyer sent to me from the owner of The Devil’s Gear Bike Shop in New Haven it was about 6am. As I began to look thru my contact list to forward the flyer I could not help but notice my emotions were getting a little heated up. Realizing that I still had not adequately dealt with this current doping fiasco, I called another old timer Doug Dale to let him know that I was still dealing with this bullshit and needed to find a place to put it all to rest. This Yale thing was a great opportunity to put this behind me and he agreed that we should keep an eye on each other at this event, so that 2 old guys in their middle to late 60’s don’t rush the stage and start kicking some serious ass.
In all the USA press about this, no one bothers to ask the guys from the 1960’s and 70’s who went over to the continent on their own dime to set the tone for what is going on today, what they think. Yeah, we are “old guys” and we are scattered about the country living different lives, many still riding, but as a brotherhood we know where we are and what we did and I can tell you to a man we are not a happy lot with this crew.
scott
2013-02-26 09:58:44
oh, floyd has an agenda! millions of them, actually.
and while i appreciate having come clean and the info provided, don’t forget what a tedious process that was, including bilking friends and supporters.
as to doping penalties, after establishing some means to differentiate minor offenses (i think it is “possible” to take a tainted supplement, for instance) from the major, intentional offenses (blood doping, epo, hgh, etc and whatever is next), you hand out severe (say 12 months) sanctions for the minor, mandatory life bans for the major.
JB
2013-02-26 10:06:50In reply to Fergie
Just like Levi, it was the praying mantis position.
not for covering face/helmet but to obscure needle tracks in forearms.
PeterE
2013-02-26 10:08:06
Please ask Tygart why Leiphiemer, Vande Velde, Danielson and Zabriskie got the vacation-style of suspension when they didn’t need them since George sang, and Vaughters can sit up their staight-faced about having Dekker on his team all while claiming to be part of the solution.
Bike Guy,
I bet you guys are p!ssed.
What was USA Cycling at the time got to the point the U.S. was developing legitimate world-class talent, including Lemond and Tilford, Hampsten and others despite the organization’s problems. Then it goes off the rails. I’m not even talking about EPO here either, just USA Cycling. It gets worse when Wiesel takes over and it’s never coming back. To be fair, there are some people with good intentions at USAC, but they don’t have any power.
USAC runs a government-blessed monopoly that cannot be voted out or otherwise fired. We need another federation. OBRA is all that’s left. You guys should be furious.
pierre from sommières france.
2013-02-26 12:09:40
since when cyclists don’t breathe? 1992?
they don’t breathe anymore , even in 2013
Doug Dale? An interesting fellow to bring up when ethics and cheating are the topics. Those that know him probably remember his retailing adventures in Northampton, MA.? I had the misfortune of working for him for a brief period back-in-the-day. I look forward to a post from you on the Yale conference. I agree with Tilford, ONLY an independent body can do antidoping as the UCI and national federations have a natural conflict of interest.
As to penalties, it should be you’re OUT for good if caught, with reduction ONLY if you rat out everyone else involved and the investigation reveals you told the whole truth. Once a few guys sing, the crooked docs, managers, etc. can be removed from the sport. Eventually all that will be left is the clean guys and those who ratted out the cheaters - so the omerta should finally be ended.
H Luce
2013-02-26 16:36:02
Date
Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:30pm EST — Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:00pm EST
About
A panel discussion with Travis Tygart, CEO of the United States Anti-Doping Agency; Jonathan Vaughters, manager of the Garmin-Sharp-Barracuda Professional Cycling Team; Tom Murray, bioethicist; and Floyd Landis, former professional cyclist.
Where there’s smoke there’s fire. Time to come clean Och.
Geezernator
2013-02-27 13:03:42
It’s funny. The NFL is loaded with dopers and they’re prospering. Two dozen guys get hit for steroids, they get a significant penalty (don’t kid yourself, a 4 game suspension is a lot of money), they get to lie that it was adderall or some such, and it’s the game and not the dope that is in the headlines. The NFL is run by smart people.
Tennis is loaded with dopers and tennis is prospering. The testing is designed to not catch anyone, players load up and the fans *love* watching jacked up people playing jaw dropping games. And the sport prospers beyond anything that cycling could imagine. Tennis is run by smart people.
NBA? Yep, same story. Jacked up guys doing jaw dropping stuff that the fans love. The smart people that run the sport are watching it prosper.
Cycling is run by morons. Guys like Travis Tygart are allowed to tell people they can expect a clean sport knowing full well the testing is inadequate. Why do we tolerate that kind of dishonesty? Guys like Lance are pilloried for lying and Tygart gets a free pass because we *like* the lie he tells. We want to believe it.
This is a recipe for failure. Maybe one of the things that draws people to a fringe sport like cycling, and one of the things that keeps cycling from prospering like sports that are not run by morons is an acceptance of guaranteed failure as a strategy.
The Cyclist
2013-02-27 15:31:24In reply to Geezernator
Cycling does not require lot of talent. Just look at Rasmussen. He literally couldn’t handle a bicycle but still had the yellow jersey in the TdF. If someone would suffer from the same lack of talent in tennis, basketball or even football no drugs would be able to fix that. This fact attracts a lot of scumbags to cycling and is killing the sport.
JB
2013-02-26 09:41:41
Stream link http://www.law.yale.edu/news/16639.htm
Fergie
2013-02-26 09:48:35
I bet Floyd is mimicking his TT position at that time. If you remember when everyone was going low, he had that bars at 45 degree- “shielding his head position”. I agree, hope this symposium brings some input from outside the cycling world point of view.
Bike Guy
2013-02-26 09:49:20
Steve, I will be there at Yale this Thursday. When I first got the flyer sent to me from the owner of The Devil’s Gear Bike Shop in New Haven it was about 6am. As I began to look thru my contact list to forward the flyer I could not help but notice my emotions were getting a little heated up. Realizing that I still had not adequately dealt with this current doping fiasco, I called another old timer Doug Dale to let him know that I was still dealing with this bullshit and needed to find a place to put it all to rest. This Yale thing was a great opportunity to put this behind me and he agreed that we should keep an eye on each other at this event, so that 2 old guys in their middle to late 60’s don’t rush the stage and start kicking some serious ass. In all the USA press about this, no one bothers to ask the guys from the 1960’s and 70’s who went over to the continent on their own dime to set the tone for what is going on today, what they think. Yeah, we are “old guys” and we are scattered about the country living different lives, many still riding, but as a brotherhood we know where we are and what we did and I can tell you to a man we are not a happy lot with this crew.
scott
2013-02-26 09:58:44
oh, floyd has an agenda! millions of them, actually. and while i appreciate having come clean and the info provided, don’t forget what a tedious process that was, including bilking friends and supporters. as to doping penalties, after establishing some means to differentiate minor offenses (i think it is “possible” to take a tainted supplement, for instance) from the major, intentional offenses (blood doping, epo, hgh, etc and whatever is next), you hand out severe (say 12 months) sanctions for the minor, mandatory life bans for the major.
JB
2013-02-26 10:06:50 In reply to Fergie
Just like Levi, it was the praying mantis position. not for covering face/helmet but to obscure needle tracks in forearms.
PeterE
2013-02-26 10:08:06
Please ask Tygart why Leiphiemer, Vande Velde, Danielson and Zabriskie got the vacation-style of suspension when they didn’t need them since George sang, and Vaughters can sit up their staight-faced about having Dekker on his team all while claiming to be part of the solution.
Joe Izuzu
2013-02-26 10:55:11
care to comment, or is Och your broker? http://reader.roopstigo.com/view/roopster/story/653/#/chapter/2/ http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/02/news/bmc-not-appropriate-for-ochowicz-to-comment-on-landis-claim_275979
Martin Minka
2013-02-26 11:11:56
He is not gonna get $10 mill ! No way ! So good luck and buy yourself a Amish girl to have kids with !
channel_zero
2013-02-26 11:24:36
Bike Guy, I bet you guys are p!ssed. What was USA Cycling at the time got to the point the U.S. was developing legitimate world-class talent, including Lemond and Tilford, Hampsten and others despite the organization’s problems. Then it goes off the rails. I’m not even talking about EPO here either, just USA Cycling. It gets worse when Wiesel takes over and it’s never coming back. To be fair, there are some people with good intentions at USAC, but they don’t have any power. USAC runs a government-blessed monopoly that cannot be voted out or otherwise fired. We need another federation. OBRA is all that’s left. You guys should be furious.
pierre from sommières france.
2013-02-26 12:09:40
since when cyclists don’t breathe? 1992? they don’t breathe anymore , even in 2013
Christopher
2013-02-26 14:04:19
What about Och?
Larry T.
2013-02-26 15:28:36 In reply to Bike Guy
Doug Dale? An interesting fellow to bring up when ethics and cheating are the topics. Those that know him probably remember his retailing adventures in Northampton, MA.? I had the misfortune of working for him for a brief period back-in-the-day. I look forward to a post from you on the Yale conference. I agree with Tilford, ONLY an independent body can do antidoping as the UCI and national federations have a natural conflict of interest. As to penalties, it should be you’re OUT for good if caught, with reduction ONLY if you rat out everyone else involved and the investigation reveals you told the whole truth. Once a few guys sing, the crooked docs, managers, etc. can be removed from the sport. Eventually all that will be left is the clean guys and those who ratted out the cheaters - so the omerta should finally be ended.
H Luce
2013-02-26 16:36:02
Date Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:30pm EST — Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:00pm EST About A panel discussion with Travis Tygart, CEO of the United States Anti-Doping Agency; Jonathan Vaughters, manager of the Garmin-Sharp-Barracuda Professional Cycling Team; Tom Murray, bioethicist; and Floyd Landis, former professional cyclist.
H Luce
2013-02-26 16:37:45
Livestream link for Thursday is http://new.livestream.com/yalelaw/SpinningOurWheels
Christopher
2013-02-27 09:32:16 In reply to Joe Izuzu
Where there’s smoke there’s fire. Time to come clean Och.
Geezernator
2013-02-27 13:03:42
It’s funny. The NFL is loaded with dopers and they’re prospering. Two dozen guys get hit for steroids, they get a significant penalty (don’t kid yourself, a 4 game suspension is a lot of money), they get to lie that it was adderall or some such, and it’s the game and not the dope that is in the headlines. The NFL is run by smart people. Tennis is loaded with dopers and tennis is prospering. The testing is designed to not catch anyone, players load up and the fans *love* watching jacked up people playing jaw dropping games. And the sport prospers beyond anything that cycling could imagine. Tennis is run by smart people. NBA? Yep, same story. Jacked up guys doing jaw dropping stuff that the fans love. The smart people that run the sport are watching it prosper. Cycling is run by morons. Guys like Travis Tygart are allowed to tell people they can expect a clean sport knowing full well the testing is inadequate. Why do we tolerate that kind of dishonesty? Guys like Lance are pilloried for lying and Tygart gets a free pass because we *like* the lie he tells. We want to believe it. This is a recipe for failure. Maybe one of the things that draws people to a fringe sport like cycling, and one of the things that keeps cycling from prospering like sports that are not run by morons is an acceptance of guaranteed failure as a strategy.
The Cyclist
2013-02-27 15:31:24 In reply to Geezernator
Cycling does not require lot of talent. Just look at Rasmussen. He literally couldn’t handle a bicycle but still had the yellow jersey in the TdF. If someone would suffer from the same lack of talent in tennis, basketball or even football no drugs would be able to fix that. This fact attracts a lot of scumbags to cycling and is killing the sport.