NYC Marathon Today - Gwen Jorgensen is Running
This weekend is packed with athletic events. The two UCI cross races in Louisville, Iceman Cometh was yesterday in Traverse City, plus the NYC Marathon is today. I’m looking forward to the later.
My friend, Gwen Jorgensen is running her first marathon this morning. I haven’t talked to her in the last month, but back then, she was just going to do the race and enjoy. I hope that works out for her. She did the US 10 mile National Championships about a month ago and finished 3rd, less than 30 seconds out of winning. She ran 53:13. I know a marathon is 2 1/2 times as long, but she can run.
I’ve received a few texts from Pat, Gwen’s husband, the last month. We didn’t chat about Gwen, but they both know it is just testing the waters. She is hoping to run under 2:38, which I think she can do easily. I say that as I’m having a terrible time trying to walk around a short block at night. I’m thinking she’ll run 2:34, probably faster. And it is going to be pretty hard the last 30 minutes. I think that is how marathons go. They were down in the Bahamas, doing the Island House Triathon, which she won for the 2nd year in a row. Now just a marathon and her stellar season in done. Pretty big year.
I have never ran that far. I did a 1/2 marathon a long time ago. Cold turkey. I hadn’t ran a step in a year or two. I did 1:15 and walked the last couple miles. It wasn’t like I was cramped up, it was like my legs were so tight they couldn’t extend more than 8 inches. But, I never could run as fast as Gwen does continually.
Anyway, the NYC Marathon women’s start is at 9:20 eastern time. There are 50,000 people running the event. How crazy is that? Anyway, I plan on watching the race. I know I have a few more hours until the start, but I’ve been up most of the night, so at least it is getting close. It is supposed to be great temperatures for running there today. High of 57 degrees, which is good.
Anyway, I wish Gwen luck. Along with all my friends that are racing again in Louisville. I’m missing out. The race is live on ESPN2 at 9 am eastern time.
Comments (45)
mike crum
2016-11-06 07:12:42
steve, sell you bikes!!!!!! sell your bikes!!!!!!! buy some racing flats….. if the world record for the half marathon for men is 58:23, they came thru the 11 mile mark in probably 49:00… if you did a 1:15:00 but walked the last COUPLE miles, (if you walk a normal pace you cover a mile in roughly 15 minutes, and you walked the last COUPLE miles of your half marathon hurting.. so that’s 1:15:00 finishing time - 30 minutes of walking time..) so you came thru the 11 miles in probably 37:00… roughly 12:00 ahead of world record pace.. LOL.. I’m no cyclist.. just do tt on my own, and as a former runner ,400 meters, I know a BIT about running.. but this story is 100% full of shit..
Jim
2016-11-06 08:05:55 In reply to mike crum
What is WRONG with you?
Rod
2016-11-06 08:13:03 In reply to Jim
Tilford or Crum?
mike crum
2016-11-06 08:45:24
TILFORD of course…… telling a story like that.. walks the last COUPLE miles and still runs a 1:15:00… get your head out of his ass and ask him about that time he ran… total BS….
sillypuddy
2016-11-06 09:19:44
If he said he did it, he did it.( no he didn’t) . now whats 4 breakfast, is it gonna be Captain Cruch or Coco Puffs again. Maybe both.
KrakatoaEastofJava
2016-11-06 09:31:50
No way Gwen will run less than 3:00
Charlie
2016-11-06 09:48:17 In reply to KrakatoaEastofJava
She’s currently on pace to run a 2:35. Think she might crack 3:00.
Steve Tilford
2016-11-06 10:02:22 In reply to KrakatoaEastofJava
mike-What is the matter with you? I finished 3rd in the race, lost by over 6 minutes, getting dropped less than 2 miles from the finish. I was beaten by a guy in 2nd, that ran by me, stopped in the ditch, took a poop, and then ran by me again. Do you think that 1:15 is fast for 1/2 marathon? At Chicago a couple years ago, they ran the 1/2 under an hour. I’ve run 31 minutes for 10K and under 15 minutes for 5. 1:15 for a 1/2 marathon, hobbled at the end, isn’t what I’d call amazing. Feel free to tell you own stories. Mine are normally pretty spot on.
Charlie
2016-11-06 10:03:27 In reply to mike crum
Your self-esteem seems damaged by this story, Mike. That’s kind of sad. Maybe you should go run it out for a bit.
Steve Tilford
2016-11-06 10:04:47 In reply to KrakatoaEastofJava
Krakatoa - I’ll bet ya on that one. I’ve trained with her a bunch. I know that never running a marathon before, anything can happen. But she runs mid 33’s during 10K, so she can run quite a bit slower and still break the 2:40 time. Unless she completely seizes up, 2:30-2:35 is within her current abilities. But it is a marathon. Those last miles are new territories. Here is the link to track her - https://liveresults.nyrr.org/e/NY2016#/tracker/R3PKJNL4
Thomas
2016-11-06 11:00:15
Gwen has run well today. Her paceing is all over the place though. Tough to run fast with all the surges. She will run faster in the future for sure with a bigger build up. Very happy for her. What a great year.
Choppy Warburton
2016-11-06 11:05:57 In reply to Steve Tilford
Choppy is getting tired of having to come in here and settle all arguments once and for all. Read this http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/tell-us-two-things-and-well-tell-you-how-fast-youd-run-a-marathon/ Use this http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/marathon-calculator/ And then shut up.
Choppy Warburton
2016-11-06 11:11:03 In reply to Steve Tilford
Based on what Steve wrote, and using the 538 tool - she would need to be training 100 miles a week based on her current 10k times of .55 of an hour to get down to 2:33ish. If she’s only doing 50 miles a week, she’s more likely to do 2:45.
Choppy Warburton
2016-11-06 11:25:51 In reply to Steve Tilford
Looks like she ran 2;41:01 Let’s hope Nate Silver is also right about election 2016 - aka USA’s clusterfuck to the apocalypse.
Rod
2016-11-06 11:43:54 In reply to Steve Tilford
The fastest Chicago half marathon was 1:05 : 53 in 2003. The world record is just over 58 minutes. One hour 15 minutes is very fast.
robog
2016-11-06 11:54:10 In reply to Thomas
2:41, great, realistic effort given her training. Might have cracked 2:40 without the overly ambitious 5:30’s miles in Brooklyn. Might get close to 2:30 with a run only program, if she can handle it (nearly all run volume to get there is going much more demanding). Still fantastic given her program.
KrakatoaEastofJava
2016-11-06 12:07:09 In reply to Steve Tilford
OK, 2:41. Damn good, and faster than Lance’s first crack at it. Actually, for an Olympic distance triathlete, that’s superb for a first crack.
The Cyclist
2016-11-06 12:11:17
OMG! 10k in just 31 min! I’m so impressed I’m gonna lose my shit. The bleedin WR is at 26 something. Running is so boring and HARD and you say you hate and still do these times. Respect.
Dose Of Reality
2016-11-06 12:11:21 In reply to Steve Tilford
1:15 half with two miles walking/running (~ 10 min/mile pace) would be 11.1 miles in 55 minutes, or a steady 4:57.3 min/mile pace. If he ran all the way at that pace, his half-marathon time would have been 1:04:55 on zero base training, faster than the fastest Chicago half marathon time ever. If that’s accurate, then Steve really should have stayed with running. Given the huge purses in running, with record-setting speed on zero training, he’d have made a lot more money that in bike racing.
Dose Of Reality
2016-11-06 12:16:25 In reply to Steve Tilford
re: pro cyclists and other athletes marathon times This is an interesting table. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_non-professional_marathon_runners
Yacht boy
2016-11-06 12:28:17
I’m not sure Mr Tilfords times are accurate. 31 mins and sub 15. You don’t ride all your life and suddenly step off the bike and run those times. Not doubting his toughness but one has to run regularly to post those times. Cycling fitness isn’t enough.
Steve Tilford
2016-11-06 15:46:14 In reply to Yacht boy
Yacht boy - I forgot to post my fastest mile is 4:16. That was “just stepping off the bike” too.
Mike crum
2016-11-06 15:48:11 In reply to Steve Tilford
BS!! U did not run 11 miles and walk the last two and finish in 1:15:00. Maybe u ran the full 13.1 in 1:15:00, believable, but that’s not want u said. Reread ur post. U said u walked the last 2 miles. Total bs story. Do the math. U were hobbling too u said.. Probably walked the last two slower than 15:00 per mile I’m giving u. Bs story steve. I would believe u ran a full 13.1 in 1:15:00 but no way u ran that 1:15:00 walking the last two miles . Lol. Do the math
Mike crum
2016-11-06 15:57:29
Dose of reality… I like your figuring… But Steve said he walked the last two miles. You gave him the benefit of jogging/walking the last two. Do your math on exactly what he said . WALKING the last two miles. Thanks brother..
Steve Tilford
2016-11-06 16:00:22 In reply to Mike crum
Mike - The math is that they started the race, I ran for the win for the first 11 + miles and then couldn’t run anymore. My finish time was 1 hour 15 minutes. That is the math. The guy that won, missed making the Olympic Marathon Trials twice by less than 30 seconds. He ran 2:20 plus change twice. His fastest time for the 1/2 marathon was a little of 1:05 I believe. Do you understand an hour 15 for 13 miles. That is about 5:45 miles. Maybe you don’t or have never ran, but that isn’t competitive on a national level. And BTW, I’ve done 3 triathlons. I finished 1st twice, both times having the fastest bike and run times at the events. The 3rd was a Xterra National and I finished 6th. The run was supposed to be 10K. It was 9 miles. I walked the last 1/2 mile at that race too. All these with virtually zero running to train. No, I wasn’t walking 20 minute miles, but I did loose the race by over 6 minutes when leading with less than 2 miles to run. So, that is my math. Yours is just off.
Mike crum
2016-11-06 16:32:20
Steve, Idc about a guy taking a poop , a guy missing the olympic trials, or you doing 3 triathlons. I’m just calling u out on what YOU said. You said walked the last two miles and finished in 1:15:00. BS!! BS!! Lol.
AB
2016-11-06 16:47:30 In reply to mike crum
You are the actual worst, crum. Be nice if there was a way to ban your ip addres.
Rod Lake
2016-11-06 16:50:55 In reply to Mike crum
Geez, Crum, nobody give a poop about your little rant, either.
mike crum
2016-11-06 17:18:41 In reply to Rod Lake
rod, so you believe what steves time is too? get YOUR head out of his ass..
Jay
2016-11-06 17:31:14
If Steve did a 4:16 mile then he is/was a faster miler than 99.9999% of all Amercian men. I don’t like running, but I was never very good at it (best mile time about 5:45). I had no idea Steve was such a good runner. I’d say, he should focus on running for his health’s sake.
paul boudreaux
2016-11-06 18:08:05
Not a bad idea. Based on the times Steve has run with little or no training, it is clear that he may actually have missed his calling. By contrast there is no doubt that Armstrong had no real talent for running based on what he showed during his triathlete career and his post cycling marathons. Steve, I’ve commented this before and now more than ever you really should take a year and make a run at the 55+ world records in the 1500/Mile and 3000/2 mile. They are extremely breakable for someone like you. Keep recovering and and once you are ready, go for it. You could plan to break them in summer ‘17. Then get back on the bike when you’ve had plenty of time to recover prior to risking another crash.
Tony
2016-11-06 18:38:56 In reply to Mike crum
Mike crum. He must have walked something less than the two miles. Despite what the text says. Anyway no big deal one way or the other
Donald J Trump
2016-11-06 19:27:50
Who gives a shit whether he ran 1:15 for a half ,where the %&$# is the photo of tucker. Vote early and vote often.If you are a registered Democrat due to heavy voting expected you are required to vote after 8:00 pm est
KrakatoaEastofJava
2016-11-06 20:49:18 In reply to Steve Tilford
People tend to use themselves as benchmarks of comparison. You guys are genetic-aerobic freaks, and we tend to forget this.
KrakatoaEastofJava
2016-11-06 20:51:22 In reply to paul boudreaux
Even with hip fracture hardware still installed? I agree though. He’s a damn-fast runner. Faster than Mike Ditka in 1985.
Jim
2016-11-06 22:23:17 In reply to Mike crum
Crum, You are a freaking idiot.
sillypuddy
2016-11-06 22:25:16 In reply to Donald J Trump
Ya see Steve, you don’t know how to walk it back. There are lots of very good D1 tracksters out who specialize in middle distance who couldn’t take serious time off from training go for a hard bike ride then get off and run a 4:16 mile. Honestly, that sounds retarded. I have faith in most things you claim. This little story seems to have gotten away from ya. With all due respect. And lets get back to cycling stuff.
gilmor
2016-11-07 04:57:08
Steve’s time for half-marathon when he was 53: http://running.competitor.com/cgiresults?eId=40&eiId=48?utm_medium=most-viewed&seId=125&pId=52521 I’d believe he can run the half marathon in 1:17 when he was younger.
Choppy Warburton
2016-11-07 05:32:08 In reply to Jay
There’s no place for running in cycling. Didn’t we learn that from Chris Froome last summer?
dallas
2016-11-07 08:43:46 In reply to mike crum
Steve is awesome and I love his stories and observations. I don’t care if Steve really limped in with a 1:15 20 years ago or not, but this seems like a good time to link to the official Paul Ryan running pace calculator. http://www.paulryantimecalculator.com/ We love you Steve. Take care of yourself and get healthy.
Mike crum
2016-11-07 09:13:49 In reply to gilmor
He probably could run a 1:15:00 half marathon based in what his mile time and 10k times are , but no way he ran a 1:15:00 by walking the last two miles like Steve said he did … Lol no fuckin way
davidh60010
2016-11-07 09:54:39
Peak Crum = Starting a flame war with a person recovering from TBI. Maybe time to move on, Mike? Steve, based on your writing you seem to be doing better, but I will join the hundreds of other commentators and say take it easy! This is going to take a while.
Freddie J
2016-11-07 10:16:51 In reply to davidh60010
Davidh Your comment times 1,000. What I cannot figure out about people such as Crum is why they don’t have something better to do with their lives than, as you say, antagonize someone suffering from a very serious injury (or antagonize anyone, for that matter). I guess i don’t get the mentality of trolls - life is too short!
Jim
2016-11-07 13:08:39 In reply to Mike crum
Again, what is wrong with you Crum?
Hillary
2016-11-07 17:16:54 In reply to Mike crum
Crum probably got his ass kicked by Tilford in high school